Earlier I abbreviated Standiford Field (now Louisville International) as SFD.
In rereading what I wrote I remembered SDF is the old 3letter id.

As hard as I try I guess I will never acheive Mister Know It All status.

O.K., Anymore post about this topic will be in Aviation.

I read it as SDF so I knew what you meant. I am not even sure what the new abbreviation is, and I am a little surprised they changed it.

Mike

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I read it as SDF so I knew what you meant. I am not even sure what the
new abbreviation is, and I am a little surprised they changed it.

It's still SDF ...

You may be a bit confused as that is the IATA-naming, while the ICAO is KSDF.

"K" means an airport in the USA, and they just prefix the IATA-code with it.

In other parts of the world it's different, for example:

Brussels IATA > BRU ICAO > EBBR (EB > Belgium)
Amsterdam IATA > AMS ICAO > EHAM (EH > Netherlands)
London Heathrow IATA > LHR ICAO > EGLL (EG > Great Britain)
Paris De Gaulle IATA > CDG ICAO > LFPG (LF > France)
Frankfurt IATA > FRA ICAO > EDDF (ED > Germany)
Madrid IATA > MAD ICAO > LEMD (LE > Spain)

Etc etc etc ...

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I read it as SDF so I knew what you meant. I am not even sure
what the new abbreviation is, and I am a little surprised they
changed it.

It's still SDF ...

You may be a bit confused as that is the IATA-naming, while the
ICAO is KSDF.

OK, for some reason I thought they changed it during one of the
renamings but I was mistaken. Thanks for the clarification!

Mike

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OK, for some reason I thought they changed it during one of the
renamings but I was mistaken. Thanks for the clarification!

Mike

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Thanks to Ward I learned something in his post.

LOU is Boeman Field ID.
I remember hearing .-.. --- ..- on a portable radio that has Air Band frequency coverage on it
Ed
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Warg, Thanks foe EDucating Ed some more.

I carried messages from the Radio Room up to the Weather center on the upper level of the Navy Ships I served on.
It was a whole new world up there. To Me

In civilian life, I worked at a Lock and Dam on a river.
6AM in the morning my shift read the Thermometers in the WX Box and noted the condition of the sky to include in our Morning Report of the river levels abovea d below the Lock.

As a Amateur Radio licensee I attended a SKYWARN class to learn how to report Severe WX.
Ed
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Rug Rat,
Because a Junior High School friend delivered newspapers to my home, I would often walk along with him as he delivered papers.
He had a Novice license, and was a year older than I was.
He met a fellow in High School who had his Novice license too and one day that friend walked along as the newspapers were delivered.
These two guys talked to each other whistling Morse Code and I had no idea if they were talking about Me.

I went to the Library to find a book to help me learn Morse Code (CW).
The book I found was a U.S. Army Manual called IIRC An Menomic Device for Learning The International Morse Code.

I still recall the instructions for the letter P.
The word Pan was shown as: P = a n
.--. = .- -.

Pan was easy for me to remember.
Z was hard for me to learn until I got issued the Novice Call KN4ZIQ .

My Phonetics for the ZIQ letters is: Zero Intelligence Quoation.
I passed the Novice Test in the summer between 10th and 11th Grade .

Because the wife thiught the wires I had running out of a doorway in one room and going up through the Attic Stairway looked ugly to her I removed them and haven't had a A1 QSO on my HF rig since.
Although when vehicles pass by me on the road I often will look at the letters on their License Plate and "sound out" by thinking of the letters in Morse Code.

As I wrote above I learned Morse Code to defend myself if my Paperboy and his friend ever talked about me in code againwhile Isas walking with them.
That was 70 years ago.

Another story: I was driving through a City in another State, talking to someone on 2Meter Mobile when another ham joined the QSO and accused Me of not owning a Amateur Radio License because my Call Sign now is W9ODR which indicated to him that I lived up North since the Ninth Call Sign Area is Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin area.

I told him when I got my Novice License I lived in Kentucky and my accent stayed with me when I moved to Indiana , and if he didn't believe I was licensed I would say the alphabet backwards over the microphone, and started saying:
DAH DAH DI DIT, DAH DI DAH DAH, DAH DI DI DAH, DI DAH DAH...
ZYXW... and unkeyed the mike.

If the Audio circuitry fails on your radio you could still use the radio to communicate by clicking the PTT Button ro send code.

I haven't listened to see if anyone still used the CW portion of the Ham Bands, guess I just made a ROUNDTUIT for myself to listen to see if their is any CW attivity now on HF.
73 Ed
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LOL. So we can keep this somewhat on Aviaition (before we get yacked at for being off topic...)...

I was thinking of a snarky (I believe sarcasm makes the world go round) way to not only comment you are using the old Mc/s unit, but said 423Mhz was VHF...

This made me think of a "discussion" I had at the aviation school I work at. He called the 220Mhz aviation band UHF.

VHF is 30Mhz to 300Mhz
UHF is 300Mhz - 3Ghz.

So 220Mhz would still fall in VHF, though he would bet his life that it was part of the UHF spectrum, even when I pointed out that everything on the interwebs agreed with me.

So I went home pondering this, and then looking at it on paper it dawned on me what they did, and why they do it.

"VHF AM Phone" band encompasses 118 - 137 Mhz and is open for CIVILIAN use. "UHF AM Phone" avaition encompasses 225Mhz - 400.00Mhz. Even though 225Mhz is clearly in the VHF Range, and is for MILITARY and GOVERNMENT use only.

They are used VHF and UHF not to deliniate the freq. spectrum, but use. It is much easier to tell someone to GO TO Uniform BLAH BLAH BLAH, they say go to VHF hi... Work load is high, so keep it simple. Since 220 and above are probabbly on the same raido, it makes it even simpler. I don't have to rememeber that 220Mhz is on the UHF radio.).

So we were both right... He was just coming at it from the operational side and I was looking at it from the technical side..

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Yep!, I use Megacycles per second.

I read many years ago that in America the only time Hertz should be used is if a person touches a 60 Cycle A.C. line.
They will get 60 Hurts per second.
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I read many years ago that in America the only time Hertz should be used
is if a person touches a 60 Cycle A.C. line.

As this is the AVIATION-echo, I feel compelled to point out that Hertz is not my favourite car rental company at Airports ... I use Alamo ... 8-)

\%/@rd

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As this is the AVIATION-echo, I feel compelled to point out that Hertz is not my favourite car rental company at Airports ... I use Alamo ... 8-)

\%/@rd

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Ward, When I was writing about Hertz I wasn't even thinking about Rental Car Companies.
Glad Alamo suits Your needs
Ed
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Ed,

As this is the AVIATION-echo, I feel compelled to point out that Hertz

is not

my favourite car rental company at Airports ... I use Alamo ... 8-)

Ward, When I was writing about Hertz I wasn't even thinking about Rental Car Companies.

I can appreciate a good joke when I see one.

I hope you do too....

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Ed,

I can appreciate a good joke when I see one.

I hope you do too....

\%/@rd

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Ward, Some things go WAY over My Head. Besides airplanes ( to keep it on topic).
Ed
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Ed,

Ward, Some things go WAY over My Head. Besides airplanes ( to keep it on topic).

If I had more time, I might even like you ... 8-) 8-)

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward!

05 Apr 26 21:23, you wrote to Ed Vance:

I read many years ago that in America the only time Hertz should
be used is if a person touches a 60 Cycle A.C. line.

As this is the AVIATION-echo, I feel compelled to point out that Hertz
is not my favourite car rental company at Airports ... I use Alamo ...
8-)

I would second that.


Vincent


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As this is the AVIATION-echo, I feel compelled to point out that Hertz

is not

my favourite car rental company at Airports ... I use Alamo ... 8-)

Ward, When I was writing about Hertz I wasn't even thinking about Rental
Car Companies.

I can appreciate a good joke when I see one.

I hope you do too....

It was a good one. ;)

Mike


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On Mon 6-Apr-2026 1:40a, Ward Dossche@2:292/854.0 said to Ed Vance:

If I had more time, I might even like you ... 8-) 8-)

Surely you're not serious!

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It was a good one. ;)

Ed's "Hurtz" mentioning was hilarious ... I hope many captured it.

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Brent,

If I had more time, I might even like you ... 8-) 8-)

Surely you're not serious!

I've never been more serious in my life, and I'm not drunk.

Most of us here are at an age when we're on the wrong side of the statistics and one cannot have friends enough. Mostly I enjoyed Fidonet people, even the ones I didn't like because in real life they are so different than from behind a keyboard. That being the reason why when sysop Bob Bashe was still around in Germany for some years I encouraged him to set-up one-night gatherings of people who never met eachother ... strangers at the beginning of the evening but within driving distance ... a local non-expensive eatery ... beers ... friends for life at the end... Fidonet is a hobby that unites us, but also separates us and the face-to-face meetings are/were a gift.

\%/@rd

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Well... Okay... Then.......

I think you missed the joke, this being an aviation echo and all.....

Too subtle?

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I think you missed the joke, this being an aviation echo and all.....

But I did, mr. Feynman...

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Well... Okay... Then.......

I think you missed the joke, this being an aviation echo and all.....

Too subtle?

I took his response as he got the joke but also used the opportunity to
be philosopical about aging, our differences, and Fidonet. ;)


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Ed,

If I had more time, I might even like you ... 8-) 8-)

\%/@rd

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Ward, Later , when reteading messages here it dawned on me that the Sig in your posts indicates Youare The Moderator of this echo.

Getting Posts from The Moderator is bad news
Ain't the first time though .
In one ofthe AmateurRadio echos I got that type of message frequently.
Can't recall who the Moderator was back then.
Ed
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Ed,

Ward, Later , when reteading messages here it dawned on me that the Sig
in your posts indicates Youare The Moderator of this echo.

Don't ever let that stop you from making interesting contributions ...

I oversee less than a handfull other echo-areas and it's completely oblivious to me what a moderator is or ought to do. In days gone by this was considered somebody slapping other people's fingers ... I prefer the 'grandfather approach' ... watch from a distance what the grandchildren are doing and thinking "there's a fair chance grand'ma won't like it, but as long as no-one's bleeding to death, it's OK".

Getting Posts from The Moderator is bad news

Holy Mozes ... would that imply I can't write a single message anymore to anyone in this echo? 8-) ... The ultimate form of auto-censoring ... 8-)

\%/@rd

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Ed,

Don't ever let that stop you from making interesting contributions ...

I oversee less than a handfull other echo-areas and it's completely oblivious to me what a moderator is or ought to do. In days gone by this was considered somebody slapping other people's fingers ... I prefer the 'grandfather approach' ... watch from a distance what the grandchildren are doing and thinking "there's a fair chance grand'ma won't like it, but as long as no-one's bleeding to death, it's OK".

Holy Mozes ... would that imply I can't write a single message anymore to anyone in this echo? 8-) ... The ultimate form of auto-censoring ... 8-)

\%/@rd

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Ward, Sorry my writing seemed like I was stepping on your toes ( BOTH FEET).
Ed
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Wait.....

What did I miss?

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On Tue 31-Mar-2026 2:18a, Ward Dossche@2:292/854.0 said to Mike Powell:

I read it as SDF so I knew what you meant. I am not even sure what

the

new abbreviation is, and I am a little surprised they changed it.

It's still SDF ...

You may be a bit confused as that is the IATA-naming, while the ICAO is KSDF.

"K" means an airport in the USA, and they just prefix the IATA-code with it.

In other parts of the world it's different, for example:

Well, "K" denotes continental US (or CONUS), P denotes non continental US (Easy was to rememeber is P for PACIFIC.)

PANC (Anchorage)
PHNL (Honolulu)
PGUM (Guam).

To be more pedantic, the (Just add the PREFIX tot he IATA) falls apart for Hawaii for some reason.. :)

For Asia, I can remember ICAO codes pretty easily.

RKSI (East Asia KOREA SEOUL INCHEON)
RKSS (EAST ASIA Korea SEOUL SEOUL) (GIMPO)
VTBS (South East Asia Bangkok Suvarabhumi
VTBS (Seouth East Asia Bangkok Don Muang)
VVTS (South East Asia Viet Name Ton San Nhut)
ZSPD (CHINA Shanghai Pu Dong)

Others not so easy, but RP (Repblic Phillipines)
Though some make sense, RPVM (Republic Phillipines Visayas Mactan)

EDDF (Europe Deutch - Franfurt

(I really need to get a life...).

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To be more pedantic..

Please continue to do that ... what for one person is pedantic, for another is interesting information.

EDDF (Europe Deutch - Franfurt

So what about LFPG - Paris CDG
"

(I really need to get a life...).

Have you never wondered why the HQ of the momentary most successful airplane manufacturer worldwide is located in a town called "to lose" or "too loose" or "two lose" ?

Boeing doesn't like "too loose" as they have the monopoly on bolts that are too loose and need to be fastened...

\%/@rd

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On Wed 8-Apr-2026 9:24a, Ward Dossche@2:292/854.0 said to Rug Rat:

To be more pedantic..

Please continue to do that ... what for one person is pedantic, for
another is interesting information.

EDDF (Europe Deutch - Franfurt

So what about LFPG - Paris CDG
"

L - Souther Europe
E - Northern Europe

F - France P - Paris - G (Make something up..) :)

Never fly to Europe much... Mostly US - Asia.. Which is why I can rattle most of the major Asian hubs off the top of my head.

RJAA (East Asia Japan AA (Narinta - The MAIN or A airport in Japan).
RJTT (East Asia Japan TT (Tokyo - Other T is just there in this case), but that OTHER Tokyo airport HANEDA.
RJBB (** Japan Kansai.. The second busiest airport in Japan, The B Japan)

VHHH (South East Asia (HONG KONG) Chep Lop Kak. (Wish I was old enough to have done Kai Tak...).

Sometimes it doesn't make sense.

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