AIX, HP-UX, macOS, Xinuos, z/OS (see "Single UNIX Specification", wikipedia)
since i suspect there aren't users of 4 of those on dovenet (the most likely being perhaps AIX), might i suggest this echo be used only for macOS?
Dumas Walker wrote to FUSION <=-
I was a professional user of z/OS until recently. ;) I used several console utilities that "sat on top of" it, but I only got down to using things from the *nix command line once or twice.
That list reminded me of some of the "weird" UNIXes out there, like
Primos - it ran on top of PRIME/OS on big CDC iron. That was the
closest my college came to UNIX, it was great for teaching shell
scripts and BASH to tons of college students, but you couldn't develop
on it.
This was the late '80s. After the weed-out CS classes and a class in
assembler on a VAX 11/750, we did all of our compiling on our own PCs.
Most people used Turbo C, but I was the oddball (go figure?), I had a
deal from the bookstore on Microsoft QuickC, but ended up using EMACS
as an IDE with Mark Williams C, with a BASH shell and *nix* commands
for DOS.
I was a professional user of z/OS until recently. ;) I used several
I used a VAX during college, but more as a "user" and didn't learn much, if anything, about the underlying OS commands or shell. The programming
I was a professional user of z/OS until recently. ;) I used several
What's that run on?
I used a VAX during college, but more as a "user" and didn't learn much, if
anything, about the underlying OS commands or shell. The programming
Do you remember if they ran VMS or Ultrix?
I was a professional user of z/OS until recently. ;) I used several
What's that run on?
IBM Mainframe.
Pretty sure it was VMS. This would have been 1988-92, if that helps.
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
I also didn't realize they had BASH shells and *nix commands for DOS
back then.
Luckily, there were a few places in the 1990s where one could get a job with a related degree and then get OTJ training. That is where I
learned most of what I know and used professionally.
phigan wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Do you remember if they ran VMS or Ultrix?
I read an article on lwn.net, trying to find it now, titled "What is UNIX". can't find it now, will post the URL when I see it.
scripting 100%. The command line utilities were the basics like tee,cat
diff, grep, tail, ls...
I loved the notion of running a tar command through gzip and redirecting
the output to /dev/tape. So simple, so abstract.
phigan wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
VMS was weird to me. The FS has 8.3 style all-caps filenames and
reminded me of DOS and later CP/M when I saw that ;).
I was a professional user of z/OS until recently. ;) I used several
What's that run on?
IBM Mainframe.
Like IA-64 stuff?
Pretty sure it was VMS. This would have been 1988-92, if that helps.
VMS was weird to me. The FS has 8.3 style all-caps filenames and reminded me o
DOS and later CP/M when I saw that ;).
Luckily, there were a few places in the 1990s where one could get a job with a related degree and then get OTJ training. That is where I learned most of what I know and used professionally.
My first "real" IT job, I was hired to do billing reconciliation of
call accounting records - basically all Excel. I somehow was then
allowed to do moves, adds and changes on the phone system, then
managing a Novell network and a dial-up wide area network very similar
to Fidonet. I learned all I needed from books and playing around with
spare equipment (and a supportive mentor).
Those alone are invaluable in DOS. Man, grep is soooo much better than find.And for what it's worth, "ag" is so much faster than grep :)
IBM Mainframe.
Like IA-64 stuff?
No, like a mainframe computer.
VMS was weird to me. The FS has 8.3 style all-caps filenames and reminded me of DOS and later CP/M when I saw that ;).
scripting 100%. The command line utilities were the basics like tee,cat
diff, grep, tail, ls...
Those alone are invaluable in DOS. Man, grep is soooo much better than find.
Nightfox wrote to phigan <=-
Are those tools actually available for DOS? I've seen them available
for the Windows command line; I use grep at the Windows command line fairly regularly.
egularly.scripting 100%. The command line utilities were the basics like tee,cat
diff, grep, tail, ls...
Those alone are invaluable in DOS. Man, grep is soooo much better than find.
Are those tools actually available for DOS? I've seen them available for the Windows command line; I use grep at the Windows command line fairly
Like IA-64 stuff?
No, like a mainframe computer.
I thought DOS's filesystem was basically case-insensitive, and it just happe that most utilities displayed the filenames in uppercase.
Are those tools actually available for DOS? I've seen them available for th Windows command line; I use grep at the Windows command line fairly regularl
No, like a mainframe computer.
Ah, but apparently z/Architecture was compatible with Itanium (IA-64).
And for what it's worth, "ag" is so much faster than grep :)
Re: Re: What is UNIX? (was: H
By: deon to phigan on Thu Oct 09 2025 09:53:45
Hi, deon.
And for what it's worth, "ag" is so much faster than grep :)
We are so spoiled with modern computer performance that I don't think
I can remember a single time when I've sat there thinking "I wish
this grep would hurry up".
Having said that I didn't touch any OS that *had* grep until I
ordered the FreeBSD 4.3 (?) CD set, which would have been running
on Pentium II or similar. I probably wouldn't have grep'd anything
serious for another decade after that.
I've been using grep for decades.
Re: Re: What is UNIX? (was: H
By: MRO to Bob Worm on Tue Oct 14 2025 20:38:52
Hi, MRO.
I've been using grep for decades.
Unfortunately, it turns out the 90s were quite a long time ago. So I
suppose me, too.
Bob Worm wrote to deon <=-
We are so spoiled with modern computer performance that I don't think I can remember a single time when I've sat there thinking "I wish this
grep would hurry up".
Re: What is UNIX? (was: Hot T
By: Dumas Walker to FUSION on Fri Oct 03 2025 10:17 am
I was a professional user of z/OS until recently. ;) I used several
What's that run on?
yeah my hubby is an RPG developer on an iSeries midrange for one of the coasinos here. he also codes in COBOL when necessary.
On 05 Oct 2025, phigan said the following...
Re: What is UNIX? (was: Hot T
By: Dumas Walker to FUSION on Fri Oct 03 2025 10:17 am
I was a professional user of z/OS until recently. ;) I used several
What's that run on?
Ibm IBM Z-Series mainframes like the IBM Z/16 Enterprise.
... Electricity is really just organized lightning.
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anthk wrote to Warp 4 <=-
Damn, I'd love to start with as/400, because I can't grasp the
concept of objects and libraries and the like. It's like a
weird VMS/NT to the extreme. Yes, I'm learning Cobol because
of an $JOB. For the rest I can just use GCobol for prototyping
and perfectly fine under my OpenBSD netbook; but in order
to get employed I truly need at least to know the basics of
AS/400.
I wish I still had my textbooks on it. Hell I wish I still had my old books on Pascal.
nblade wrote to anthk <=-
Good Luck learning Cobol. I haven't touch that since college. In
a wierd way, I wish I still had my textbooks on it. Hell I wish
I still had my old books on Pascal. I've been thinking about
relearning that just fun.
Damn, I'd love to start with as/400, because I can't grasp the
concept of objects and libraries and the like. It's like a
weird VMS/NT to the extreme. Yes, I'm learning Cobol because
of an $JOB. For the rest I can just use GCobol for prototyping
and perfectly fine under my OpenBSD netbook; but in order
to get employed I truly need at least to know the basics of
AS/400.
Neko wrote to anthk <=-
Libraries are more like... a tag for other objects? Not really a
folder, but works as such to some extent. I was taught AS/400 is
a big database, so that sounds the closest. Every object can be
assigned to only one library, libraries can't contain others
(with an exception of QSYS, which is a "master library").
So, a folder, but not really a folder.
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